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Italian lesson perked me up. It was a really good one; I could feel the "kick" start to happen - the one where you can feel it all start to flow (resident linguists will know what I mean, and I'm sure everybody else can imagine it). Claudio seems quite pleased with the way things are going and is dropping in little extra bits here and there. He's an excellent teacher.

One interesting thing that is emerging from these lessons that hasn't from any teach-yourself course I've done is that the dialects in Italy are very distinct. I suppose this is not surprising given Italy's history as, basically, a federation of principalities, but the subtleties of it are quite interesting. It also affects some words.

The first person of the verb "fare" (to do/make - you know - faire in French) has different forms depending on where you are. The verb was apparently originally faccere and conjugated like a 2nd conjugation -ere verb, whereas now it is partly conjugated like a 1st conjugation -are verb. Consequently, many people in the north use "fo" to mean "I do", whereas strictly speaking the standard Italian form is "faccio". Claudio commented that if he used the form "faccio" to his parents they would think he was being posh, and so he tends to use "fo". I can use either, of course, although as a foreigner I'm going to stick to "faccio" atm. :o) Still, these are exactly the sort of things I need to be aware of if I'm to make out anything of what people say when I eventually visit Italy.

but seriously...

Date: 2002-05-17 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajva.livejournal.com
To be honest, I'm not sure exactly which one of the many many unvoiced fricative blah blahs it would be. I think the unvoiced velar fricative is what you would call the "ch" in German ich, and the Dutch "g" is harder than that, but still not voiced. It is pronounced further back in the throat.

Re: but seriously...

Date: 2002-05-17 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanjibabes.livejournal.com
Like a gulp sound?
(not that i can remember any of my linguistics)

Re: but seriously...

Date: 2002-05-17 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajva.livejournal.com
Well, no, not a gulp. Breath is pushed out, like in the German "ch". Of course, that "ch" sound seems to be one of the most variable things in German regional accents, so technically that's not much help I suppose. Nevertheless, I don't think I've ever heard a German pronounce "ch" like the Dutch "g". One point about this is that "ch" doesn't tend to come at the beginning of words in German, whereas the "g" appears a lot at the beginning of Dutch words.

Re: but seriously...

Date: 2002-05-17 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanjibabes.livejournal.com
never done Dutch before. Sounds like a fairly simple sound. I have trouble with sounds that rely heavily on my tongue, like the rrrrr in Spanish.

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