more boring economics stuff

[ajva]

I know people must think by now that I'm some kind of nutter Jeremiah-esque permabear muttering away in the corner and stinking of whisky, but in case you were wondering, it's things like this graph that make me wonder if we could be facing a total global meltdown economically, originating in the fundamental insolvency of the world's banking system.

Just saying. *swigs from bottle in brown bag*

Mind you, I remember my Dad saying something similar back in 1986 or thereabouts, so I expect everything will turn out OK.

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[conflux.livejournal.com]

In the past the dollar was the default currency for international commerce but if it keeps getting weaker then many companies are likely to switch to the Euro. In the past the international use of the dollar has stabilised the currency even when the home US economy was poor but we could increasingly see this being undermined. This is good news for Europe but bad news of the US. I think it also means the UK is more likely to adopt the Euro in the long run.

[adjectivegail]

In the past the dollar was the default currency for international commerce
Yes. I heard a big warning bell clanging in my ear a few months ago, when I realised that this year's International AIDS Conference is being held in Mexico City, but the organisers are asking for fees in Euros.

[valkyriekaren.livejournal.com]

It's when oil companies want to be paid in Euros instead of dollars that you have to worry. The Iraqis and the Iranians started doing it a few years ago, and it hit the US currency exchanges pretty hard.

[ajva.livejournal.com]

Well, it's an interesting thought, but I think the significance of this has been a bit overdone. Certainly any shift to an alternative currency as the world reserve currency bodes ill for the dollar in the long term, but all fiat currencies (and indeed other assets) are just engaged in an ongoing beauty contest to a certain extent. The refusal of an oil supplier to take dollars won't kill the dollar; it's more of a symptom of a loss of confidence that has its roots in more structural economic factors. You could also argue that there is an element of political PR in such decisions, of course, but that's another discussion.

Anyway, Euroland can't be complacent; as countess_sophia points out below, the global banking fraternity is an internationally incestuous bed these days. The US isn't an island, entire of itself.

[ajva.livejournal.com]

Yes, but I wouldn't say it's entirely good news for Europe, if only because so many foreign countries hold so much of their wealth in US$-denominated assets. Also, of course, in the event of a sudden slide in the dollar's value, exports to the US would plunge as American consumers could no longer afford imported goods. That would have an immediate impact on the real economies of countries all over the world.

Basically, I expect it all comes down to not just whether it happens, but if so whether it happens slowly enough for the rest of us to adjust and muddle through. Or not.

[conflux.livejournal.com]

A switch from US to European currency just results in an economic adjustment not a collapse, as it is happening in a fairly predictable way and is likely to help the UK in the long run and reduce US influence. It will be very bad for the US though and it remains to be seen if the big US institutions can adapt fast enough. As Soph points out, the other big problem is the huge exposure of many banks and financial institutions coupled with the uncertainty introduced by the recent instability in the energy market especially as this is not just a US problem.

[ajva.livejournal.com]

Yes, I don't dispute that. I'm just dubious that the Euro could really be a viable long-term alternative to the US dollar in terms of becoming a world reserve currency. It's barely a decade old and hasn't really been tested yet - and it has problems too (some quite similar to those of the dollar, I think, although others all of its own). At the moment, its principal attraction seems to be that it's a large first world currency that isn't the dollar. I hate to say it, but I'm not convinced that that's going to prove to be enough.

If I'm wrong, though, then that's obviously good news for Europe. However, I'm not sure an ECB-policy-led financial world would be terribly good either for us all. I used to be in favour of the UK joining the Euro as part of my generally pro-European poliical position, but now I think it would scupper our economy quite badly to cede control of our economic policy in that way. I think it is also scuppering the economies of a lot of the Euroland countries already. Ireland, for example, is now undergoing a very harsh, fast re-adjustment of its housing market because when the Euro launched its base rates became immediately aligned with what the ECB set as base rates for the Eurozone - in other words they were slashed, which suddenly encouraged a huge bubble in the Irish housing market.